Added: Nov 21, 2008
From: CodrulCXI
Duration: 4:54
This video deals with how Hungarian nationalists denied established history, and with the formation of the two theories of the Romanian origin: the Daco-Roman theory and the Vlach Migration theory. As we shall see, one predates the other by 700 years, and the other was invented during a time of nationalist political upheaval.Sources:[1] [M. Gyóni, L' oeuvre de Kékauménos, source d' histoire roumaine, în „Revue d' histoire comparée, III, 1945, p. 152 -167 (capitolul Les sources historiques de Kékauménos).][2] [Komnenos, Anna. Alexiad. Book III. Pp. 87-88. http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/...[3] [loannes Cinnamus, Epitome rerum ab Ioanne et Alexio Comnenis gestarum, VI, ed. Bonn. p. 260][4] [Presbyter Diocleatis, Regnum Slavorum, în I.G. Schwandtner, Scriptores rerum Hungaricarum veteres ac genuini, III, Viennae, 1748, p. 478][S. DRAGOMIR, Originea coloniilor romane din Istria, Analele Academiei Române. Memoriile secţiei istorice, 3rd series, 1923: 201-220; S. PUŞCARIU, Studii, vol. 2: 213-14][5] [Armbruster, Adolf. Romanitatea Romanilor, Chapter 2.2][6] [A. Bonfinius, Rerum Ungaricarum decades qvatvor cvm dimidia, Basileae, 1568. II, lib. 7, ed. cit., p. 304-305][7] [Ph. Callimachus, Vita et mores Sbignei cardinalis, ed. Irmina Lichonska, Varsoviae, 1962, p. 26.][8] [F. Petancici, Via, quae ex Pannonia per Transyhaniam et Valachiam ducit versus Thraciam et Pontum, în A. Veress, Acta et Epistolae relationum Transylvaniae Hungariaeque cum Moldavia et Valachia, I, Budapestini, 1914, p. 111][9] [N. Olahus, Hungaria sive de originibus gentis, regionis, situ, divisione, habitu atque opportunitatibus from 1536, în M. Bel, Adparatus ad Historiam Hungariae, Posonii 1735, p. 25-26.][10] [Ureche, Grigore. Letopisetul Moldovei. 1610. p. 5][11] [Cantacuzino, Constantin. Istoria Tarii Romanesti.. p. 62][12] [Cantemir, Dimitrie. Descrierea Moldovei. p. 1 of Cap. I][13] [Stephanus Zamosius, Analecta lapidvm vestvstorum et nonvllarvm in Dacia antiqvitatvm, Francofurti ad Moenvm, 1598, p. 12][14] [L. Toppeltinus, Origines et occasus Transsylvanorum, Lugduni, 1667, p.53][15] [Hurmuzaki, XII, p. 362]
Channel: Education
Tags: ceausescu daco-roman extremism genocide history hungary lies magyar myth nationalist olah roman romania szecklerland transylvania trianon truth veszen vlach
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FRADIKAforever Says:
Dec 5, 2008 - those you either smartly "ascribe" to real historical persons (whose existence are confirmable by google) or create fictious persons, with fictious statements -as you have done in your- albeit created under feigned name - Foreign opinions about the Hungarian language video. Nothing is easier than that,although this surmises intelligency and missionary thinking,I admit.HOWEVER, this time you made a video based on REAL AND EXISTING SOURCES.Good job, boy. Problem no. 1 is with this,
FRADIKAforever Says:
Dec 5, 2008 - as the Hungarian proverb sais, "it's easier to "catch" a liar than a gimp dog" problem no. 2 is: you don't seem to speak German language (it's quite an easy one, though;-). (maybe you do, and than your immoral and daaaark face come into picture).Cause if you spoke German, you would understand at least the title... oh wait, let's do it like in primary school: GET A DICTIONARY, good, now start checking the words: dacischen Geschichte MIT KRITISCHER FEDER entworfen.
FRADIKAforever Says:
Dec 5, 2008 - In contradiction with what you ascribed him, Sulzer maintains that, given the Slav infusion of words in the Rumanian language, they can't possibly be descendants of Emperor Trajan's Dacian Romans.He believes it's inconceivable that a nation wouldresist barbarian invasion for 700 years without adopting some of the invader's words. They must have lived as aliens in Dacia, lacking(equal)rights and of the Orthodox faith.On the other hand, if theyhad been present on Hungarian land St. Stephen
FRADIKAforever Says:
Dec 5, 2008 - (1001-1038) would have converted them to Roman Catholicism. Therefore, alleges Sulzer,they must have come from Great Valachia (Arumun land) around the end of the 12th century and later in theaftermath of the Tartar (Mongolian) invasion (1241).I think, at least, you should apologize the Hungarians for quoting someone saying completely the opposite. It's like stating Marx was anti-communist and wrote pro-bourgeoise articles.Szamosközy is an interesting question.He was sent by Farkas Kovacsóczy
FRADIKAforever Says:
Dec 5, 2008 - chancellor to Padova to study there, where, in humanist milieu, as a Principalist and a devotee of Bathorys he was to search for pro-Transilvanianist documentation, for that the more and more numerous romanian component seemed to be a fine method.
pravaliasu6 Says:
Dec 5, 2008 - well,there are 5 migrationist theories. read about franz miklosesch theory about vlach migration. he stated that vlachs begun to migrate in transilvania and pannonia after attila the hun's death, in late 5th century AD
CodrulCXI Says:
Dec 5, 2008 - Boooring.Do you have anything intelligent to say?
CodrulCXI Says:
Dec 5, 2008 - FICTITIOUS!? LOL!I do speak German, you dark-faced Tatar, and I know quite well what the title meant.
CodrulCXI Says:
Dec 5, 2008 - Then explain to me why the Serbs were not converted to Catholicism? They are still there, and they resisted. We resisted as well.Anyway, the historical texts are clear. One side has OLD MEDIEVAL AUTHORS and the other side has Nationalist Era junk...
FRADIKAforever Says:
Dec 6, 2008 - hihi du Trottel du redest herbei, weil es sich jetzt nicht vom Deutschsprechen handelt, sondern von der richtigen Bekanntgabe eines deutschen Beitrags, mit dem du Missbrauch getrieben hast. Geb Antwort darauf oder hau ab du hast den Hirn beschnitten du Bengel.
BarbarianVlach Says:
Dec 6, 2008 - yes of ccourse, I never thought of it different, They started bulshitting about our continuity when the first romanians asked for some rights, they began bulshitting in order to give us romanians no rights, now they keep bulshitting in order to gain "their" lost Transilvania back... :)
CodrulCXI Says:
Dec 6, 2008 - entschuldigung, konnen sie gehen nach asien bitte?danke.
FRADIKAforever Says:
Dec 7, 2008 - hihi LERN DEUTSCH UND GESCHICHTE BITTE!!!:)
macskafogo007 Says:
Dec 15, 2008 - My only question of the first slide: what is the proof that the Daco-Roman theory existed in the XI. century?
plyrgheorghe Says:
Dec 15, 2008 - Check the first part of the video.
macskafogo007 Says:
Dec 15, 2008 - Exactly where? I do not see.I did not find anything about the next statement, that "Hungarians were originally saying Romanians were there first". Does the author mean Gesta Hungarorum or what?
plyrgheorghe Says:
Dec 15, 2008 - What do you mean ? This video has a first part, in which Kekaumenos is quoted as saying that Romanians from Thessaly came from Dacia and were proud descendents of the people who had defied Rome. And yes, he means "Gesta Hungarorum" and Simon of Keza.
CodrulCXI Says:
Dec 15, 2008 - The Hun-scythian bullshit was disproven quite well in the 18th century. It's a dead theory, like the Transylvanian Saxons believing they were descendants of the Gepids and Visigoths.The Hungarian migration into Hungary is well-recorded. There is no continuity from the Scythians. Furthermore, the Scythians were IRANIANS and as such were more related to the Romanians (as indo-europeans) than to Hungarians.But no, you believe anyone on a horse is the same. :DDDD
macskafogo007 Says:
Dec 15, 2008 - OK, I misunderstood the term "first part" :).Gesta Hungarorum is not a historical source by own. In it there are a lot of mistakes and misbeliefs. It was written 300 ys after the events. Historians proved that Anonymus simply put back into the past his environment. The Gesta is a legend, a tale, not a historical study based on facts. I propose look at the Romanian chronicles about the same things. What did they say? Do they mention the Daco-roman idea?
CodrulCXI Says:
Dec 16, 2008 - The Gesta Hungarorum is actually far more accurate than most historical texts which talked about early history. The fact remains that the Gesta Hungarorum was based on earlier gestas and is the earliest surviving Hungarian chronicle. Furthermore, Simon de Keza and other authors echoe his writings.Meanwhile, this video does cover what the Romanian chroniclers say, so that question is solved. :) Almost all of them link the origin of the Romanians with the Roman colonization in Dacia.
macskafogo007 Says:
Dec 16, 2008 - More accurate than nothing, that's not enough. Many statements of it are contradictory and cannot be proved from independent sources, so most of them cannot be used as fact.If you read an old book from Aztecs, it tells that Aztecs were descendants of the Feathered God of Sun. Do you believe it just because it is the oldest?
plyrgheorghe Says:
Dec 16, 2008 - How can you compare Aztecs to Anonymous ?
plyrgheorghe Says:
Dec 16, 2008 - Why ?
HungaricusDominatus Says:
Jan 4, 2009 - It's cute how the vlachs dream up their history. Makes me laugh. If I am in a bad mood, I just come up here, and watch some vlach videos. LOLNOBEL PRIZE WINNERS OF HUNGARY: 14NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS OF ROMANIA: 1NO COMMENT!


FRADIKAforever Says:
Dec 5, 2008 - Codrul,I know you are a romanian patriot, I know you dedicated your whole life to create and/or "buff" the contradictious, disputable and from time to time changing DACO-RUMANIAN continuity,this is why you don't even stop shorting of the crime LYING.You don't seem to have conscentious scruple,cause you in front of your monitor, think: COUNTRY is BEFORE MORAL, "everything for country", etc. This is why you have been always "quoting" made-up, fake, unverifiable, incontrollable, cloudy sources, who